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Riotgear · Jun 16, 2007, 07:55 AM // 07:55

[skill]Offering of Spirit[/skill][skill]Signet of Spirits[/skill]

Could someone please explain, given those two, why one would ever take Signet of Spirits vs. OoS?

Same attribute, same net energy regardless of rank. However, Signet of Spirits has a longer recharge, longer cast, and can't be used at all if there are no spirits in range.

lursey · Jun 16, 2007, 08:24 AM // 08:24

some skills let signet recharge faster?

Corinthian · Jun 16, 2007, 09:01 AM // 09:01

Signet cannot be interrupted with anti-magic interruptions and it doesn't require energy to cast.

Riotgear · Jun 16, 2007, 09:06 AM // 09:06

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Originally Posted by Corinthian

Signet cannot be interrupted with anti-magic interruptions and it doesn't require energy to cast.

1/4 sec isn't practical to interrupt regardless. Requires energy to cast = Switch to higher-energy set, cast, switch back.

Corinthian · Jun 16, 2007, 09:13 AM // 09:13

Well, it's not the same if you're hexed with something like Backfire or you are Dazed. Anyhow, the Offering of Spirit seems like a better choice in most situations. There simply are skills that are superior. It's a fact of GW.

Dobermann · Jun 16, 2007, 10:25 AM // 10:25

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Originally Posted by Riotgear

1/4 sec isn't practical to interrupt regardless. Requires energy to cast = Switch to higher-energy set, cast, switch back.

lmao, i doubt even Norgu can interupt that

zling · Jun 16, 2007, 11:07 AM // 11:07

there is also that armor(forgot name) that gives you + armor for each signet equipped
also the fact that you dont need energy to use the skill makes it superior in areas with massive energy denial, be it environmental effects or annoying mesmers or whatever else...
and of course all the advantages of signets as non spells and the mix with mantra of inscriptions, a non elite stance that does the same as the elite ritual lord but for signets...

frojack · Jun 16, 2007, 12:43 PM // 12:43

Your right, Sos is rubbish now. It used to be quite niche but pretty good (gave a value for each spirit near you), but Anet nerfed it when they made the earshot change. Pretty pointless turning it into a clone of a newer elite.

Even with Mantra of Inscriptions all the way at 10 Inspiration it still sucks. Man I remember being quite pissed off about this...

Patccmoi · Jun 16, 2007, 02:56 PM // 14:56

SoS was kinda overnerfed, but it could still be superior with MoI.

But overall, it's lame. The 2 are far too similar to have one nearly always superior to the other. They should've give it another utility, for example you gain x E and that spirit is healed for x health.

Dahnel · Jul 01, 2007, 12:52 AM // 00:52

Uh..um...Sig is more leet under QZ ? >.>

Ecko- · Jul 01, 2007, 02:24 AM // 02:24

offering of spirits if your running anything BUT Rt/Me. If that of course SoS if u have mantra of inscriptions..

Div · Jul 01, 2007, 06:11 AM // 06:11

Why would anyone really take mantra of inscriptions on a Rt/Me unless they're running multiple signets, in which case...I really question the build.

TheOneMephisto · Jul 01, 2007, 01:25 PM // 13:25

Rt/Me

Signet of Spirits
Mantra of Inscriptions
Signet of humility
Mirror of Disenchantment/bloodsong/something
Ancestor's Rage
splinter/nightmare
Warmonger's
Res sig

Dunno? Is that energy-heavy enough to warrant elite emanagement?

around · Jul 01, 2007, 02:57 PM // 14:57

needs moar signets.

TheOneMephisto · Jul 01, 2007, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by spawnofebil

needs moar signets.

Not really. Mantra + humility is alreaday pretty strong, allowing you to totally lock out one person's elite. Then throwing in the super-powered elite emanagement.

The main thing is that I'm not sure if the build would ever need that amount of emanagement. The only viable build using that would basically be mantra, SoS, humility, and then a bunch of high-cost skills that require SoS to be able to pump out consistently.

frojack · Jul 01, 2007, 04:00 PM // 16:00

Dunno but the 3 second cast on Humility kinda' makes it the preserve of only the mesmer these days, and I agree about the questionable need for that kinda e-management on a bar like that.

If you could potentially feed something like Clumsiness (on a M/Rt I guess) and Frustration on an Illusion heavy bar, with SoS it could be worth it. The question is; in that situation, how much better than Ether Signet would SoS need to be to warrant the Elite slot?

TheOneMephisto · Jul 01, 2007, 04:08 PM // 16:08

Me/Rt

SoS
Humility
MoI
Clumsiness
Frustration
Mirror/sig of clumsiness/bloodsong
Conjure Phantasm/sig of clumsiness/bloodsong
Res sig

? I have to admit that spamming clumsiness + sig of clumsiness under MoI would be pretty annoying.

Radiant Dawnstar · Jul 01, 2007, 04:41 PM // 16:41

Quote:

Me/Rt

SoS
Humility
MoI
Clumsiness
Frustration
Mirror/sig of clumsiness/bloodsong
Conjure Phantasm/sig of clumsiness/bloodsong
Res sig

? I have to admit that spamming clumsiness + sig of clumsiness under MoI would be pretty annoying.

First of all, that build barely requires any Energy. Second, you have a huge amount of Inspiration skills which do a better job and aren't even Elite. So... No.

Patccmoi · Jul 01, 2007, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

Me/Rt

SoS
Humility
MoI
Clumsiness
Frustration
Mirror/sig of clumsiness/bloodsong
Conjure Phantasm/sig of clumsiness/bloodsong
Res sig

? I have to admit that spamming clumsiness + sig of clumsiness under MoI would be pretty annoying.

You shouldn't put Bloodsong as if it's optional. SoS does absolutely nothing if you don't have a spirit (which imo makes it far worse than OoS, because if your spirit is killed, your elite is killed at the same time).

Clumsiness requires a lot of energy to pump on recharge, but seriously if you use nearly only that requiring energy on your bar i don't see why you'd use an emanagement elite and screw up your attribute points in the process. You know, Leech Sig gives more energy than SoS when you interrupt a spell with it, even though the recharge is slightly longer.

A build like:

Signet of Judgment
Sig of Humility
Leech Signet
Frustration
Clumsiness
Conjure Phantasm
Mantra of Inscriptions
Rez

Would very likely be better in the end than that SoS thing. Sig of Judgment on MoI is pretty awesome now.

EDIT : Oh, and if all you want is emanagement, just want to point out that Ether Signet at 13 Insp gives you 19E/23s. Sig of Spirit at 10 Channeling (can't really see you put it higher than that on Me/Rt) would give you 9E/11s. Worth spending your elite slot on? Definitely not.

TheOneMephisto · Jul 01, 2007, 11:57 PM // 23:57

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Originally Posted by Patccmoi

You shouldn't put Bloodsong as if it's optional. SoS does absolutely nothing if you don't have a spirit (which imo makes it far worse than OoS, because if your spirit is killed, your elite is killed at the same time).

Clumsiness requires a lot of energy to pump on recharge, but seriously if you use nearly only that requiring energy on your bar i don't see why you'd use an emanagement elite and screw up your attribute points in the process. You know, Leech Sig gives more energy than SoS when you interrupt a spell with it, even though the recharge is slightly longer.

A build like:

Signet of Judgment
Sig of Humility
Leech Signet
Frustration
Clumsiness
Conjure Phantasm
Mantra of Inscriptions
Rez

Would very likely be better in the end than that SoS thing. Sig of Judgment on MoI is pretty awesome now.

EDIT : Oh, and if all you want is emanagement, just want to point out that Ether Signet at 13 Insp gives you 19E/23s. Sig of Spirit at 10 Channeling (can't really see you put it higher than that on Me/Rt) would give you 9E/11s. Worth spending your elite slot on? Definitely not.

Bloodsong was optional because I wouldn't even think of running that build outside of some sort of build including spirits already.

And yea, it's pointless. It just isn't worth the elite slot, no matter how you try.